What car is significantly better than everything else in its class?

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 05/18/2015 at 22:36 • Filed to: None

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Alright Oppo, we’ve seen the cars that fell !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! and cars that made a huge jump from !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Now, I want you to show me all your screaming, shameless bias and fanboyism by telling me which car is so good you’d have to be a fool to pick one of its competitors. They can be from any era. This should get interesting...

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My nomination goes to the Chevrolet Volt. Want a hybrid or EV? Don’t want to pay for a Tesla? Personally, I wouldn’t consider any other car in the class. Pruis? Insight? Fit EV? Fuggedaboutit.

If someone else wants to do a “what car got drastically worse between generations?” question to round things out, that’d be great. Meanwhile, I’m going to sit hear and let the games begin. If anyone asks where the beginning of the end was for Oppo, link them to this post.

SaveTheIntegras > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:39

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Nisman > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:42

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The Volt is a great example of this having personally driven one. I also nominate the Nissan Maxima. Back in the 90s and early 2000s it seriously outclassed its competitors in every performance area. Today though it seems Nissan has tried so hard to make a Camry with a bunch of horsepower they have really lost sight of the important things.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:42

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Full size SUV? Take you pick, GM’s got three.

Full size Sedan? Chevy’s gotcha.

Best sports car for the price? Corvette has you covered.

I don’t think my fanboyism is showing enough, though I do think these are mostly valid.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:43

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Anything with this logo

Because I said so, now fuck off, Grasshopper

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > SaveTheIntegras 05/18/2015 at 22:43

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Not even close.... the Accord is the best in that class

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/18/2015 at 22:44

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I will take the Suburban/Yukon as the most valid nomination among these.

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/18/2015 at 22:45

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I could go either way on Suburban/Durango, but nah on those last 2 points.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR 05/18/2015 at 22:46

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I completely agree.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Milky 05/18/2015 at 22:47

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I didn’t realize the Viper started at $55k now.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:48

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GODDAMNIT WHY IS NOBODY ARGUING WITH ME LATLEY?!

Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/18/2015 at 22:50

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You said “Best sports car for the price” and we all know the ACR will take a crap on everything sub $1,000,000.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Milky 05/18/2015 at 22:51

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If that lets you sleep better at night..

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR 05/18/2015 at 22:52

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Jayhawk Jake > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:52

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Milky > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/18/2015 at 22:55

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Considering the old ACR still has better lap times then basically everything, I’ll sleep alright.

What was that you were saying about fanboyism?

AM > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:56

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Might be alone on this one but I think the Porsche Cayenne is better than everything in its class.

Jedidiah > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:58

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Far superior to their other gm stablemates.

promoted by the color red > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 22:58

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If we were living in 1991, the NSX.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > AM 05/18/2015 at 22:59

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Certainly the best to drive. Maybe the X5 comes close...but I doubt it.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Jedidiah 05/18/2015 at 23:01

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TheHondaBro > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 05/18/2015 at 23:04

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I’d argue the Camry. Accord being a close second.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:04

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This pic more or less sums up my attempts to rustle jimmies lately.

AM > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:04

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For me it just ticks all the right boxes. It can handle corners very impressively, it looks sexy and it has lots of comfort and luxury. Also, it makes beautiful sounds.

TheHondaBro > Your boy, BJR 05/18/2015 at 23:04

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Oi.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR 05/18/2015 at 23:05

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How the fuck...

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:06

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I love how pristine the car still is. Makes it look photoshopped.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > AM 05/18/2015 at 23:06

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Friend of mine’s mom got a GTS, it sounds badass.

Jedidiah > BaconSandwich is tasty. 05/18/2015 at 23:06

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Olds is not dead yet. Not so long as I’m alive.

Milky > Your boy, BJR 05/18/2015 at 23:10

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The one time having a V8 ahead of the front wheels is helpful.

AM > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:13

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Yes indeed. Plus it’s fast, the Turbo S has 540hp.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:16

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Simple, the Mercedes S class.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 05/18/2015 at 23:18

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HOLY fuck, he said something about fanboyism? That’s fucking hilarious.

Jedidiah > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:20

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The Studebaker Lark was much better than other early 60s compacts. Had the strongest frame, traditional construction, and an optional supercharger. It rode the best and looked cute in a kind pug-ugly, unique way — the way a compact should look.

The Pontiac Tempest and Early Corvairs had swing axles (bleh). Even the later Corvairs with fully independent suspension and turbochargers can’t match the cool factor of a Supercharged V8. The Olds F-85 and Buick Special had an Aluminum 215, while innovative, left a lot to be desired (at least in my opinion as an Oldsmobile fanboy). The Ford Falcons were creaky and unpleasant. Dodge Darts and Plymouth Valiants were excellent and could be ordered with high performing engines, but I think Studebaker gets the nod for everything else.

I think the Beetle was below the price point of even the base models of all these cars. However, given how unreliable and spartan ours was, I’d see no reason to own back in the day other than you couldn’t afford anything else and you liked the way it looked. You could get a whole lot more car if you just spent a little more money.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:25

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To be fair he said it about himself, at least he’s self aware.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:28

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Like you’re any better. Whether it’s against a brand or not.

qbeezy > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/18/2015 at 23:28

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Is that a Malibu or SS? Serious question...

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:29

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Oh fuck off.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > BaconSandwich is tasty. 05/18/2015 at 23:34

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Two Monty Python reference’s on this post damn.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 05/18/2015 at 23:34

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Actually, I can say nice things about GM. I made B. Rolland’s head explode yesterday. It’s just when your to the point of delusion, it’s hilarious.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:37

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I’ve seen those comments. There are times when you let your bias get in the way.

Frank Grimes > Jedidiah 05/18/2015 at 23:42

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thats the spirit.

Frank Grimes > promoted by the color red 05/18/2015 at 23:42

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I just saw a yellow one today all stock. it was beautiful and I hate yellow.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:42

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Please tell me how I’m to the point of delusion? I don’t even drive a GM product right now because the ones in my price range when buying a car were utter shit. Their current products are good, the Suburban and Impala are the best sellers in their respective classes, and the Corvette has had nothing but praise thrown at it, yet me stating they’re the best in the classes makes me delusional? And you have no room to talk on the fanboy front, since in the past your name has in fact had “Toyota fanboy” in it. So once, again fuck off with that delusional bullshit.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 05/18/2015 at 23:44

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I agree, it’s shouldn’t really even be called the full size luxury sedan class.

It’s just the S-Class, and everyone is trying and failing to beat it in a class it defines.

You can’t beat the person that writes the damn rules.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 05/18/2015 at 23:45

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Not really, I’ve admitted I’d get a Camaro over a Mustang. Shit, in a couple of years, financially depending, I might just pick up a new Camaro, it’s pretty fucking sick. I’ve admitted Toyota makes mediocre cars because they can, with a few exceptions. But when you actually believe a Cobalt(non SS) is better built than a Caliber(Let’s face it, we wouldn’t have had nearly as many arguments had it not been for this cars poor quality. GM wouldn’t have had to recall 90% of the cars it made in the past 15 years, if it weren’t for the Cobalt and it’s badge swapped siblings.), it’s time to seek help.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/18/2015 at 23:52

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Fair enough. Most of the arguments we’ve had were definitely emotions getting high with a bit of brand allegiance thrown in there.

I will say this though, we never had any issues with our 2004 Ion and we had that for over 120k miles. Same with pretty much every GM car my family has owned in my life. Had more issues with Ford’s than GM cars.

boneheadotto > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/18/2015 at 23:52

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Im not going to claim this is significantly better but it is consistently better

Its not the top of the pack in its class for any one given spec but as a package as a whole it has consistently whooped up on cars with higher specs in its class and it oddly wins almost every head to head it competes in. Not sure ill ever own one, but it is the king of its class

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 05/18/2015 at 23:57

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To be fair to GM, we’ve had a bunch of them. The only Ford we’ve had was an old F100 with a 300 I6 and a 4 speed, so it was the one unkillable vehicle they made, pre-7.3 Powerstroke.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/19/2015 at 00:04

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All of our trucks have been reliable, all were Duramax equipped. The GMT800 Silverado we had has over 150K right now and has only had glow plugs replaced. No other issues with any of them. To each their own I guess.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 05/19/2015 at 00:10

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The Duramax(with the exception of the LB7, though most of those have been remedied) is a good engine, it’s just in need of a serious update to be competitive. I think the Allison is probably what is holding it back tbh. Ford’s Torqueshift is every bit as good in some ways, and better in others. Even Dodge has stepped up to bat with the new Aisin unit.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/19/2015 at 00:14

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There’s supposed to be a new engine out within the next couple of years I believe. Although the current engine is still more than adequate. I don’t think the Cummins and PS motors really need to have nearly 900 lb-ft of torque because 765 lb-ft isn’t a low amount by any stretch. I guess we’ll see what comes of the new one. I do think they are behind on max towing but you don’t really see many people towing at 31,000# or what ever the other two are at so 23,500# still is pretty good.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 05/19/2015 at 00:17

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Yeah, but we both know it’s those numbers that sell them to the vast majority. Probably the biggest buyer right now are bro’s, and you can’t be down on power compared to your other bro’s.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 05/19/2015 at 00:22

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Yeah. I think I’d still go GM because I like their trucks, but I’d consider the Ram. My grandfather likes GM, but isn’t really as brand oriented although he does get loyalty discounts with GM since he’s purchased 5 GMs the last 15 or so years. He’s considered Ram, but I guess we’ll see where he goes when he feels the need for a new truck, or if he’ll buy a Camaro or something else sportier.

Garrett Davis > SaveTheIntegras 05/19/2015 at 02:22

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Nooooooooooooope.

The Fusion with the 2.0 is pretty great, and the Accord is basically as luxurious as an Acura 5 years ago, and with a fucking monster V6.

Garrett Davis > boneheadotto 05/19/2015 at 02:23

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Meh. It’s down to preference in this segment. I think the Focus ST is more fun, but it’s not as civilized as the GTI.

Garrett Davis > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/19/2015 at 02:25

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To be fair, the hardcore ‘froader segment has gotten pretty lonely.

Garrett Davis > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/19/2015 at 02:27

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The king of the current crop of hot hatches. In such a competitive segment, this lil guy manages to be surprisingly far in front of the rest.

Garrett Davis > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/19/2015 at 02:28

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All hail the new king of the “small” truck segment.

Garrett Davis > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/19/2015 at 02:30

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Performance trucks, you say? There’s only one answer.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Garrett Davis 05/19/2015 at 08:08

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The three door is sexy (though I think that one has some suspension problems the owner should probably look in to. :p)

Like Fit, the 5-doors silhouette looks like a minivan scaled to 60%. :/

Alex B > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 05/19/2015 at 08:17

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I can't fully agree with this list.

Two Drink Minimum > SaveTheIntegras 05/19/2015 at 08:36

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Much as I love the 6, the mid-size sedan class is crowded with serious contenders.